Run Flat stupidity

[BenzBoy]

On here I reckon we all know that a run flat tyre is a waste of time:
Read how long they last:
https://www.pirelli.com/tyres/en-au/car/find-your-tyres/runflat-technology

Anyway, a friend recently bough a large British built 4WD and drove it to the Hunter Valley. Yes, it got a puncture on the highway on the first day of being used. Madam took it back to the showroom and deposited it on the showroom floor demanding satisfaction - as one does when spending half a million dollars. The dealer is supplying a spare and cradle at their expense...
No; not a Mercedes; they won't even supply a spare for all the tea in China.
Given that you have only 80 Ks to complete your journey on a run-flat it would make sense to buy only from good reliable Korean companies that don't use run-flat disasters......
What brand of car? You can work it out from the price...
Regards,
Brian

 

[WGB]

Hi Brian,

My wife's 165 2014 ML 350 bluetech came as new with runflats and a spare - admittedly a space saver.

My 2014 222 S350 bluetech came with a strange oblong hole in the boot floor with a large battery sitting in the middle and runflats but no spare. At about 20K one of the front 20 inch tyres started to delaminate but fortunately I was at home in my garage when I noticed it.

Two new front tyres later I descended on the agents and requested a spare - "certainly Sir - available ex-Germany $5k". This sum magically became $2.5K and when I said I would pay that they said "There are a number of 222 S Classes in the country so they would use me as a test case".

End result - space saver spare wheel from an ML, Spacesaver tyre from a VW Tourag, Genuine M-B jack kit and wheel brace ( as none comes with the car as standard), Canvas wheel cover(spare must be stored in boot) and set of specific wheel bolts for metal wheels.

Total cost $950.

This proved very useful when on the next country trip I delaminated one of the rear tyres but I was able to drive the last 250 km at 80kph on my new space saver spare and thus get home.

Usually the spare in it's cover sits in the garage while driving around town and only goes into the boot for longer trips.

Apart from the cost saving there is of course a weight saving which helps the manufacturer with fuel economy testing - but in a big country like ours it can be potentially life threatening not to have a spare.

Fortunately Grand Lodge provides me with a Holden Caprice V which has now done 53K of country running around WA and comes with a full sized spare.

When I hand it back later in the year I am seriously considering fitting my S Class with a set of 18 inch wheels and tyres as the 20 " look great but are not very practical for long distance running and the lack of a spare is downright indefensible.

Bill

 

[c107]

Even in the city these run flat options don't take into consideration that it can be difficult to find a tyre retailer open 24x7 if you don't get a flat during business hours. I lost a whole day of a holiday after getting a puncture on a Sunday in Norway and trying to find an open tyre place that not only had a tyre, but a wheel as well. Apparently once you put the 'tyre goo' in the tyre after you've driven on it a bit there is a fair amount of work to get the wheel ready to mount a new tyre.

On my E350 there is a space saver, but there is a spare tyre well. When I get my new tyres soon I am going to save the best tyre and get a cheap 16" mercedes alloy as a spare. The E350 is my wife's car and with 3 children under four I need the NRMA to be able to change the wheel for her and for her to be able to drive the car as normal until the next Saturday when I get get the tyre fixed.

I find it incredible that an S class doesn't even have a space saver.

 

[BenzBoy]

The ML has a space saver which I used once in town in the wet and the car was quite unstable. I kept to 50KPH much to the annoyance of the traffic on the M2 but I believed I had no option. Faster was not safe. When I leave the CBD I take a full sized spare with me in the boot.
Everything else has a proper spare and of course the PII has 2 spares but I'm not sure I could change a wheel on that beast; it's hard enough lifting one wheel let alone getting it aligned and on to a splined hub.
Run-flats are supposed to be safer in that they don't suddenly lose air and that would be OK if equipped with a spare.
Not all upgrades are progress ... sadly.
Regards,
Brian

 

[Oversize]

Madness that it seems they have to be replaced when you get a puncture. A full size spare is a bit of dead weight and I'm a RACV Total Care Member. Sometimes I toy with the idea of just ditching the spare and getting a tow if I get a flat. Easy and cheap to put a tube in a 'normal' tyre, but my 'solution' is hardly convenient and won't work in the outback.

It's been a long time since I had a flat, but I'm probably just tempting fate so I best keep that quiet!!

 

[-bb-]

We bought a new SUV recently, and I ditched a couple of options because they only came with run flats and no spare. I never thought I would be getting blank stares asking if we can option something as basic as a spare tyre.

We don't live in a large city and do a lot of country road driving, and even if we were able to quickly get a replacement, I can't cop having to replace a tyre after a puncture instead of getting it repaired.

So, with the likes of BMW and Mercedes off the list, which is saying something because the Mrs liked the BMW and I liked the Merc, we ended up with a Volvo parked in the garage, spare tyre and all.

 

[BenzBoy]

For that reason alone the Volvo makes sense.
I get at least 2 punctures a year in anyone of the 5 cars; living in the inner city means lots of building work and hence screws and nails on the road.
Regards,
Brian

 

[-bb-]

Tyres aside, the Volvo is actually a better car than the BMW and Merc competitors. They each do some things well, but lack in other areas. The Volvo does more things well than the other two.

 

[Michel]

Tyres aside, the Volvo is actually a better car than the BMW and Merc competitors. They each do some things well, but lack in other areas. The Volvo does more things well than the other two.

Traitor!

 

[c107]

My Aunt recently traded in her C class for an X3 BMW. My cousin has just purchased a farm near goulburn and she was down there when she got a flat in her run flat tyres (no spare tyre on the X3). Golburn is too far away to drive back to Sydney on a Run flat and none of the tyre places in Golburn had one. She was stuck there for two days until a tyre could be sent down from Sydney.

 

[BenzBoy]

My Aunt recently traded in her C class for an X3 BMW. My cousin has just purchased a farm near goulburn and she was down there when she got a flat in her run flat tyres (no spare tyre on the X3). Golburn is too far away to drive back to Sydney on a Run flat and none of the tyre places in Golburn had one. She was stuck there for two days until a tyre could be sent down from Sydney.

Hmmmm - my ML is now 19 years old and I contemplated changing it for a new version (GL something or other - the new MB naming system bears no relationship to reality) but discovered that the new you-beaut all terrain 4 WD comes with run flats. That finished the deal. No way do I intend to be stuck just outside Sydney with no way of driving home. Oh MB, you are really making a fool out of your legacy for engineering excellence. BMW is in the same boat.
A curse on your marketing departments who have clearly never driven a car outside the CBD of Stuttgart. MB - you deserve to fail in the Australian market.
Regards,
Brian

 

[sean sherry]

Well.. well.. The new Camry Hybrid drives as well as the rest of them and has a full spare to boot... but only buy the base Model.

 

[c107]

My Brother is moving from Sydney to Perth. Instead of trailering the car, he decided to drive it over. From what I hear its been a good drive. He owns an E63 BMW. Like many BMW's of the era, it came new with runflats, so no spare tyre. The body shell does have a provision for the spare tyre, but his model year this is used for the battery and fuse box. Having the fuse box below the cargo area seems a good way of having a leaky esky play havoc with your electrics but who knows.

Anyway, his car's previous owner changed the 16" runflats with 18" or 19" aftermarket wheels. They are a staggered setup with wider tyres at the rear. The car handles quite well, although I think it would be nicer with smaller wheels, as the ride isn't as supple as it could be.

The new tyres are not runflats so there is no spare. the Prev owner did buy a 5th alloy wheel, but this has no tyre mounted.

My advice for my brother was to buy a tyre same size as the fronts and mount it to this wheel, and at least keep it in the boot as a spare. It can live in the garage unless he is doing open road driving. He felt that a can of goo would be sufficient.

Suffice to say I just got this picture from him. At least he is only 400km from Perth. I was hoping to be wrong on this occasion!

 

[sean sherry]

Two new A 200s with runflats... a suprise after delivery ! Sales men useless !! Tires useless.
Out of town.... ... carry a Spare. Go to a Tire outlet on a four day holidy ? Break down Service on Christmas day ? Stranded in a Country Village....No Jack.........Back three times to have the complicated Electronic controls explained .... Again, Sales men useless, they just sell. "Pre delivery" .... set tire pressures.... 33 rear 38 front on door sticker.... Delivered with 40 & 42.... Wifes car 38 & 40....
Typical Mercedes Service Departments.. I have seen it all, over 6 new Mercs over 30 years.
I will report the Alexandria Dealer to Mercedes in Melbourne...It is the only way I have ever got a result from a Sydney or a Queensland dealer..... The Car itself is a brillant piece of engineering..but as I was once told in Stutgart '"A lot of people around the World hide behind our Name "

 

[Patrick_R]

Very good points Sean.
Ive never seen a car delivered with spot on tyre pressures.
My company X Trail has to be serviced by Nissan, and it has a tyre pressure monitoring system, and when it was last serviced, it came back with between 25-28 psi all round, where I delivered it to them with the correct pressures before the service!
Bloody useless.
My wife’s BYD doesn’t have run flats, but also has no spare. Pretty much every battery electric vehicle is delivered this way, so your twice as screwed if well, you pick up a screw hahahahahahahaha.

 

[BenzBoy]

Somewhere along the line manufacturers forgot they were making cars for humans rather than arcade games....

 

[Patrick_R]

Agree mate.
With the BEV’s, the OEM says it’s all about weight, but we live in Australia and may want to use the range the x par comes with.
Tesla now not only does not provide a spare, but also now don’t provide any charger or cables.
They say it’s all about weight, but we all know it’s not.
A company makes a spare “kit” for the BYD, but its a bit pricey

 

[c107]

Agree mate.
With the BEV’s, the OEM says it’s all about weight, but we live in Australia and may want to use the range the x par comes with.
Tesla now not only does not provide a spare, but also now don’t provide any charger or cables.
They say it’s all about weight, but we all know it’s not.
A company makes a spare “kit” for the BYD, but its a bit pricey
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That and it’s a stupid space saver. You would want a full size spare if you are adding one.

 

[Patrick_R]

That and it’s a stupid space saver. You would want a full size spare if you are adding one.

Leanne had a space saver in her Nissan, and it got her out of trouble twice.
for a work commuter car, it does ok.
Plus a full size would really compromise her boot space which she uses to the max with her school stuff.
As I travel a lot, I’d hate for her to get a flat out of hours, wait for a tilt tray or something if the can of goo didn’t work.

 

[sean sherry]

Leanne had a space saver in her Nissan, and it got her out of trouble twice.
for a work commuter car, it does ok.
Plus a full size would really compromise her boot space which she uses to the max with her school stuff.
As I travel a lot, I’d hate for her to get a flat out of hours, wait for a tilt tray or something if the can of goo didn’t work.

I have 4 new conventional tires on order plus I bought a Mercedes wheel and tire for $180.. As Grandparents we never use the Back seats ... so I folded down the left side on and there lives the Spare leaving the Boot clear. I also carry a Sizzors Jack, an electric Rattle Gun, and a lug Wrench with a long hallow pipe. The 4 run flats I will keep for my wife's A 200, with run flats, for around the Suburbs.
And also an electric Air Pump to top up any leak in the run flats . Run them Flat == a new tire big $$$$$$s