How to get your 6.9 to rev

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What I don't get is why the 6.9 has a problem with piston speed (apparently), but other engines of a similar size (or bigger) don't and seem happy to rev higher??

M100, 6.9

Bore and stroke = 107mm x 95mm
Displacement = 6,834 cc
Compression Ratio = 8.8:1
Max HP = 286 bhp @ 4250 rpm
Max Torque = 405 lb/ft @ 3,000 rpm

455 Buick

455.72-cubic-inch (7,467.9 cc)
4.31 in (109 mm) bore and 3.90 in (99 mm) stroke

Std 350 hp (260 kW)
Stage 1 360 hp (270 kW).
Std 510 lb·ft (690 N·m) of torque at 2800 rpm (more than any other muscle car engine).

The 455 was one of the first "thin-wall casting" engine blocks (at GM), and because of this advance in production technology it weighs significantly less than other engines of comparable size (for example, 150 lb (68 kg) less than a Chevrolet 454 and only 25 lb (11 kg) more than a Chevrolet 350).

From what I understand the LS engines have tiny (short skirt) pistons which could account for the difference...

LS7

7,008 cc (7.008 L; 427.7 cu in)
4.125in (104.775mm) bore and 4.00in (101.6mm) stroke
505 hp (377 kW) at 6300 rpm
470 lb·ft (640 N·m) at 4800 rpm with a 7100 rpm redline

The crankshaft and main bearing caps are forged steel
The connecting rods are forged titanium
The pistons are hypereutectic
Titanium intake valves 2.20 in (56 mm)
Sodium-filled exhaust valves 1.61 in (41 mm).


During GM's reliability testing of this engine in its prototype phase, the LS7 was remarked to have been repeatedly tested to be 8000 rpm capable, although power was not recorded at that rpm level, due to the constraints of the camshaft's hydraulic lifters and the intake manifold ability to flow required air at that engine speed.

Holden Special Vehicles fitted the LS7 to a special edition model, the W427. The HSV-tuned engine produced 375 kW (503 hp) and 640 N·m (470 lb·ft), at the time making it the most powerful car ever built in Australia.
 
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Mark I have never heard of piston speed being an issue with 6.9 . It is impossible due to the bore stroke ratio being under square . Only engines with much larger stroke than bore size suffer this problem. Most recent being 3.8 litre Buick V6 in Commodore. Problem is mass as pistons and rods are over engineered for the application. Then small port diameter in the heads will ultimately limit revs as well as 9mm intake valve stem and 11mm exhaust valve stem . LS has 6mm valve stems by the way increasing ability of air to flow significantly.
 
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What's the 560 use and are they sodium cooled?
 
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I've heard piston speed being mentioned many times.... And I thought the 6.9 ports were rather large (just that the exhaust manifolds were restricted).

So anyone for new pistons and rods?? What about knife edging the crank? :rolleyes:;):D
 

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Hi Mark I think they are mixed up with the fact the engine is factory limited by airflow. 7 & 8 for the 560 by the way and they fit in 6.9 with valve stem sleeving. I am removing restriction with extractors and exhaust one end and intake with larger throttle body and machined opening the other end. Just heads with valves and cams and sprockets to go. :D
 

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And as I posted before this is a 6.9 piston and rod . It is quiet impressive looking its strength would be up there with the best after market products . Its just heavy which would be it ultimate limiting factor to revs. :)
 

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You should throw it on some scales and we can compare it to others..... :rolleyes:
 

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It is about 200 grams heavier than a BB Chev combo but seeing as they are not that strong that's a good thing. Chev V8's are like Harleys the best ones have internal parts replaced by after market ones. :D:D
 
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