Driving a 1961 Rover..

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Here 'tis, especially for Styria. Sighted today at an RROCA event I organised and so I took it for a ride. Great ride comfort and very nice handling. All round, a very appealing car. No wonder Styria likes them.
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Hi BenzBoy, that is an extremely nicely kept Mark I - note the little 'tear drop' plastic louvres to keep the rain off the side windows - by 1962, and with the introduction of the Mark IA, they had disappeared. The early Mark I's also had a diffrent upholstery pattern - again, it disappeared by 1960.

Whilst this Saloon is quite nice, I do prefer the later model Mark IIa, b, and c's - more powerful Weslake modified engines, and in Coupe form, they were quite stunning looking cars. Maybe a bit more info to follow. Regards Styria
 

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So that is how you spent your day while we were enjoying the Last Big Race at Oran Park......
 
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The last GREAT Rovers, from the MK1 through to the 3.5 V8.
Big leather armchair and proper Wilton carpets, and waft along in silence, why is the world gone mad on 0-100 times and not wanting to cruise around in such tranquility?
I blame those hoons at Top Gear, methinks Clarkson needs an old Rover.
I will try to scan and post a photo of my old V8 Coupe from the '70s, maroon with white roof. Miss that car.
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Takes me back to the early-mid '70s when I owned (not quite all at once, but frequently up to five at a time):

19?? Series 1 Landrover 2-door SWB clothtop (the farmyard stump-puller that drove only on the land as it was unregistered)
19?? Series 2 Landrover 4-door LWB tintop
1948 P3 Rover 75 (never had it running)
1949 P4 Rover 75 (the "Cyclops Eye" grille)
1953 P4 Rover 90
1954 P4 Rover 90
1956 P4 Rover 90 (x 2)
1958 (?) P4 Rover 105R
1959 P4 Rover 110
1960 P5 Rover 3 litre Mk 1 (yes, with the "rain brows" on the windows)
1961 P5 Rover 3 litre Mk 1a
1964 (?) P5 Rover 3 litre Mk 2b
1965 (?) P5 Rover 3 litre Mk 2c ("Suffolk C") coupé
1968 P5 Rover 3 litre Mk 3

The most eye-pleasing was the Mk 2c coupé -- which had the added touch of being a manual.

My absolute favourite, though, was one of the '56 90s; I acquired it with more than 450,000 miles on record (good paper history) from a Melbourne car yard. With its alleged 90 hp, it had a theoretical top speed, when new, of 90 mph. It still had fully functional freewheel capacity, and so was relatively economical on juice.

Not accounting for speedo error, that old aunty could still lift her skirts and run. It took her a while to reach it (compression ratio barely 8:1 and very long stroke / slow revving), but she was still capable of an indicated 90 mph at the half-million-mile mark. Never burned oil (because it "Rovered" all over the garage drip trays and was constantly topped up with fresh stuff -- back then, one of the early recycled oils, so not even Castrol GTX!).

I drove that '90 Melb-Syd-Melb about four times in a couple of years, and never had to stop for anything other than tank-fill / bladder-empty necessities (I asked a lot of it and more than once tested that original top-speed capacity ;) ). The head gasket blew at about 530,000 miles, and while repairing it I inadvertently left a stumpy screwdriver in cylinder #3 (oh dear). Of course, when I went to start the re-headed engine, I did serious damage to a piston and bore.

Shortly after that mishap, the missus and I called it quits and as I left the property with an overnight bag and keys to nowhere, the dead Rover '90 stayed behind (with all its stablemates).

For serious and very relaxed cruising -- even at illegal speeds -- it was hard to beat the Mk 2c coupé: it had attitude -- and didn't have that infernal (though unbreakable) Borg-Warner DG auto. (The Mk 3 had a B-W Type 35 -- much smoother than the DG but too light-duty for the engine's torque and the car's weight.)

BTW: Anyone who reckons the first generation of the M-B 4-speed converterless auto is a "thumper" ought to drive a P5 Rover fitted with the B-W DG box (so Mk 1 and Mk 2). Now that is a thumper!

The P5 Rovers were, justifiably, known as The Poor Man's Rolls-Royce, such was their quality, solidity, ride, acres of leather and forests of tree woods -- and a clock that ticked louder than the silent engine. Until the 3.5 litre-engined version of the P5, however, they were a tad underpowered (though not undertorqued).
 

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Well, no. I was actually out playing with this 20/25
And the Rover was a diversion. You may recall that you pleaded 'too busy' to attend? :D
Regards,
Benz-Boy

Entertaining 20 clients at Oran Park is considered 'too busy' by most people:rolleyes:
 
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Yes it does look OK. The white instruments were a special order - as was the barometer on the passenger side.
Michel; maybe next time? :D:D I know the lure of Oran park is too great for you...:eek:
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Benz-Boy
 
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Where do you find 'em B?
That is how driving a car should look, where did we go wrong?
Btw (oh, now I'm doing it, I hate those texter's shorthand acronyms)
do you know of a 1911 Ghost Landaulette, or maybe TownCar around the Southern Highlands?
A friend told me the whole story a year or so back, he built a lot of it, but most would never know.
I will post that photo too one day.
C.M.
 
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Where do you find 'em B?
That is how driving a car should look, where did we go wrong?
Btw (oh, now I'm doing it, I hate those texter's shorthand acronyms)
do you know of a 1911 Ghost Landaulette, or maybe TownCar around the Southern Highlands?
A friend told me the whole story a year or so back, he built a lot of it, but most would never know.
I will post that photo too one day.

C.M.

Show me a phoot and I tellya.
There is a considerable number of desirable cars in the S H. The best I know of is a Vauxhall - model etc I am not up on - but one of the originals.
There is a hell of a lot around. Join the Vintage Sports Car Club and a whole new world opens up. Buy a Phantom and suddenly they come out of the woodwork. The PII has been my entry key into a lot of interesting cars and people.
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Show me a phoot and I tellya.
There is a considerable number of desirable cars in the S H. The best I know of is a Vauxhall - model etc I am not up on - but one of the originals.
There is a hell of a lot around. Join the Vintage Sports Car Club and a whole new world opens up. Buy a Phantom and suddenly they come out of the woodwork. The PII has been my entry key into a lot of interesting cars and people.
Regards,
Benz-Boy

Saw a couple of top Vauxhalls in Robbo a couple of Sundays back, one was definitely a 30/98, and cruising along with a Lancia Lambda.
Past the 'Big Potato', what a missed photo opportunity.
I may take you up on the VSCC when the T is nearer the road.
Chris M.
 
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Saw a couple of top Vauxhalls in Robbo a couple of Sundays back, one was definitely a 30/98, and cruising along with a Lancia Lambda.
Past the 'Big Potato', what a missed photo opportunity.
I may take you up on the VSCC when the T is nearer the road.
Chris M.
If it was with the Lambda then that is the one I mean.
The VSSC car for display, discussion and looking at next Tuesday's meeting is the Bugatti that was at Eastern Creek.
Regards,
Benz-Boy
 
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Only thing I don't understand is the grab handle for the passenger?

:eek:
My ML has them so why not? :D
Actually, the ride can be quite bouncy and you do need something to steady yourself against. Remember, we are talking about solid front and rear axles!! You also need something in case the suicide doors fly open. Most have installed a hidden lock. I certainly have.
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You also need something in case the suicide doors fly open. Most have installed a hidden lock. I certainly have.
Regards,
Benz-Boy


Is that to do with the pins in the doors?

Trying to remember, I think it was OBH that mentioned when these were first used in MB's.
 
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A wooden body always has some flex. The PII has steel wire girders that run front to rear through the body to minimise flex but it can only be fully controlled by a steel shell - and that is where the monocoque body is so successful.
Thus, with some flex a rear hinged door can pop open!!! :eek::eek: Yes, there are double catches on all doors but one can never be totally certain. My next move after the kelvar shield around the Aotovac (vacuum fed petrol header tank) is to install 4 point seat belts.
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OBH. Is there nothing that you have not owned? :D
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Sure -- lots. But I'm working on it. :D:D

I bought four of the Rovers (P4 90, P5 Mk 1, P5 Mk 2c coupé, P5 Mk 3) and found the rest on a farm, refusing to die, along with an abandoned Armstrong Siddeley Star Sapphire and its companion Armstrong Siddeley utility, and a Daimler Conquest.

Two of the Rovers -- '54 90 and '49 75 -- drove home on trade plates; all they needed to make drivable was a battery, change of tyres and wheels, some coolant (er, tap water), an oil check, and fuel.

The non-Rovers went to interested parties in my club. I'd already been through my Star Sapphire and Conquest stages by then. :rolleyes:
 
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Sure -- lots. But I'm working on it. :D:D

I bought four of the Rovers (P4 90, P5 Mk 1, P5 Mk 2c coupé, P5 Mk 3) and found the rest on a farm, refusing to die, along with an abandoned Armstrong Siddeley Star Sapphire and its companion Armstrong Siddeley utility, and a Daimler Conquest.

Two of the Rovers -- '54 90 and '49 75 -- drove home on trade plates; all they needed to make drivable was a battery, change of tyres and wheels, some coolant (er, tap water), an oil check, and fuel.

The non-Rovers went to interested parties in my club. I'd already been through my Star Sapphire and Conquest stages by then. :rolleyes:

You're way ahead of me then, the Armstrong-Siddeley Star Sapphire still looms large on my wants list, and I wouldn't mind one of those Hurricane Utes to go with it.
C.M.
 
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