1933 P11 continental

[motec 6.9]

Hi Brian enjoy this stunning looking car http://www.conceptcarz.com/view/photo/513044,9153/1933-Rolls-Royce-Phantom-II-Continental_photo.aspx

 

[BenzBoy]

Nice, nice.
Regards,
Brian

 

[motec 6.9]

Hi Brian I am glad you liked it . Stunning looking I think .

 

[BenzBoy]

I do Motec. Currently engaged in rounding up data and photos for a colleague who is writing a new book on R-R Continentals, to be released in 2015.
Regards,
Brian

 

[motec 6.9]

Glad I could help with my search for 136PY you have a stack of pictures. Unfortunately that car is missing but let us know what chassis you are after.

 

[Styria]

Amelia Island always has its share of quite magnificent cars. However, I still maintain that many are over-restored, starting with those huge whitye wall tyres. Look at some of the cars from the '30s, particularly in genuine old timer and original photographs, you can really attain the atmosphere of what things were really like in those days. The mood is much more sombre, more mundane, more authentic....... Regards Styria

N.B. This is one car that's done the concours circuit. I really don't know what to make of it - sure enough, well, it's different but, again, it has those quite unsuitable white wall tyres.

 

[motec 6.9]

Unsuitable for a European owned car Styria . Durring 20s and early 30s Rolls Royces were made in US and it was standard at the time for white walls to be fitted so correct for US delivery.

 

[BenzBoy]

Unsuitable for a European owned car Styria . Durring 20s and early 30s Rolls Royces were made in US and it was standard at the time for white walls to be fitted so correct for US delivery.

Between 1919 and 1931 Ghosts and then Phantoms were made in Derby UK and shipped to Springfield in the US for completion using American bodies and trim. The cars left the Derby works as chassis and engine only and the US version was basically the same with some minor variations in wheelbase and the use of a three-speed gearbox instead of the four-speed - and using a centre shift.
It is important to emphasise that all mechanical parts were made at the Derby factory and not in Springfield. Naturally, a Springfield car would be dressed using whatever was fashionable in America at the time, hence the tyres.
However, the car in question is a J Gurney-Nutting so it was bodied in the UK. Is it over-restored? Hard to tell just from photos. Remember that originally it would have been hand painted using a paint brush and lacquer - this one looks like a 2Pak. It would be necessary to compare gloss-levels of the paint used with the original using a light meter to determine if it has been done correctly.
If I were judging the car I would be looking for such items as the correct curvature in the fuel lines which was determined by Royce himself to be the optimum for avoiding vapour locks. I would also be checking t see that the screws are all headed-up and that they are the correct screws etc.
I saw very recently a beautiful restoration of an S3 where the paint and carpet looked perfect. The whole effect was ruined by the use of Phillips head screws in the boot and the lack of leather bias on the carpets - neither the owner nor the restorer realised what had been done ...
Regards,
Brian

 

[BenzBoy]

By the way Styria, the car Motec refers to does not have white wall tyres....?
Regards,
B

 

[motec 6.9]

I was referring to Styria arguing just because he can even when he is wrong. It must come with senior moments. That or not reading post before opening reply.

 

[motec 6.9]

Hi Brian posting this reminds me I need to get chassis number of P1 at Rowe and Sons for you.

 

[Michel]

Remember that originally it would have been hand painted using a paint brush and lacquer - this one looks like a 2Pak. It would be necessary to compare gloss-levels of the paint used with the original using a light meter to determine if it has been done correctly.
Regards,
Brian

I doubt there are many people left in this world who could brush paint a car to a decent level (at least acceptable to period era RR owners).

Try this method:
http://youtu.be/cVBvlrjVUtw

 

[BenzBoy]

That's about right for an R12.

 

[motec 6.9]

Hi Brian will starting looking today .

 

[Styria]

I was referring to Styria arguing just because he can even when he is wrong. It must come with senior moments. That or not reading post before opening reply.

Geoff, it just depends on the mood I am in, or how old and lonely I feel when I read the various posts. However, and however.......my remark re white walls referred to over restored cars in general - the ones seen at Pebble, Amelia and many others etc. - if you cast your mind back to the late''30s, 540K.'s and Lagonda LG6s, to name two, were not fitted with white walls by the factory. That's the sort of contention I would advance in support of my beliefs. Regards Styria

 

[motec 6.9]

But if delivered new to the US most likely would have been as US started obsession with white walls before 1920 . See Fatty Arbuckles 1919 Peirce Arrow . The tyres are the same colour as were fitted new. there are old photos off him with the car. Interestingly car was designed by a young designer you may have heard off Harley Earl http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/lotdetails.aspx?ln=5028&aid=466

 

[motec 6.9]

As for baiting you . At least I have stopped you talking rubbish about your time being up. Stop that nonsense its were I am coming from with my ptsd. I have been to coroners court many times and I wish I had not.

 

[c107]

Here is an interesting article about another PII, this time 42PY that sold for a record price:

Meet the unique Rolls-Royce Phantom II Continental that thinks it’s a hot rod | Classic & Sports Car

The Rolls-Royce Phantom II Continental inspired England’s finest coachbuilders and this enchanting coupé was built for Sir John Leigh by Freestone and Webb

www.classicandsportscar.com

 

[BenzBoy]

Good morning Motec- thanks for this. I read it with great interest.
It's a long time since we have heard from you; are you well?
Regards,
Brian

 

[c107]

Good morning Motec- thanks for this. I read it with great interest.
It's a long time since we have heard from you; are you well?
Regards,
Brian

Wasn’t motec - was me posting into an old thread. Unfortunately Motec has not logged on for a while.